tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10970428.post3520682939690258223..comments2024-03-27T08:00:05.698+00:00Comments on ResoluteReader: Judith Orr - Sexism and the System, A Rebel's Guide to Women's LiberationResolute Readerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05543167556221747469noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10970428.post-25919740168033466332009-12-25T22:27:17.849+00:002009-12-25T22:27:17.849+00:00It's not at all unfair to call her a Marxist f...It's not at all unfair to call her a Marxist feminist. While she may reject the term herself, the proof of the pudding is in the tasting.<br />You, like Orr, seem to have a very blinkered view of what the term "feminist" means. The views she espouses are generally taken to be feminist views, and they are a specific type of feminism called Marxist feminism. If you want proof that Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12418977316501036070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10970428.post-78687368675597929672009-12-25T20:34:10.389+00:002009-12-25T20:34:10.389+00:00There is much to reply to here. Firstly I think it...There is much to reply to here. Firstly I think it is unfair to describe Judith Orr as a Marxist Feminist. In the early chapters of the book she clearly defines herself as not being a feminist, but being a Marxist.<br /><br />Her analysis of where oppression of women comes from is rooted in the rise of class society - a standard Marxist analysis outlined for instance, in some of Engels' Resolute Readerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05543167556221747469noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10970428.post-66446194303066895482009-12-25T20:09:23.126+00:002009-12-25T20:09:23.126+00:00You're right that classes are not defined by o...You're right that classes are not defined by oppression per se. However, Orr's Marxist feminism tells us that women's oppression is economic in nature. And what do we call one group of people that are economically oppressed by another group of people? A class. Therefore according to Orr's feminism, women's oppression CAN only exist in a class-based society, because as soon as Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12418977316501036070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10970428.post-13124905201982875792009-12-25T18:10:10.604+00:002009-12-25T18:10:10.604+00:00Like all Marxists, Judith Orr would define "c...Like all Marxists, Judith Orr would define "class society" as including any society divided into classes - broadly speaking, the producers at the bottom and the ruling classes at the top. Before the rise of such class based societies, women's oppression simply didn't exist - such societies required all of their members to partake in the hunting or gathering necessary to ensure Resolute Readerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05543167556221747469noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10970428.post-53299512077316424392009-12-25T17:56:22.096+00:002009-12-25T17:56:22.096+00:00All the societies mentioned in rogue lettuce's...All the societies mentioned in rogue lettuce's comment are indeed class societies. The rise of class societies comes about when a society becomes successful enough to produce a surplus beyond what it needs to survive. A ruling class emerges as a small section of society organises to control that surplus for itself.<br /><br /> The point of Judith Orr's short book is to reassert the iciclettehttp://www.swp.org.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10970428.post-32045754602068979232009-12-25T16:55:22.860+00:002009-12-25T16:55:22.860+00:00Feminism is, by the "strict definition" ...Feminism is, by the "strict definition" about all men being bastards, then? I'd suggest you should get a better grasp of the breadth of feminist thought before reviewing books about it.<br /><br />Also, the claim that women's oppression didn't exist for tens of thousands of years before "class society" is incredibly ambiguous - what is meant by class society, Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12418977316501036070noreply@blogger.com